Congrats on Baruch MFE program and its students for being recognized by another publisher for being the #1 global quant program.
https://www.risk.net/quantitative-finance/7960667/baruch-maintains-top-spot-in-2025-quant-masters-guide
Today Risk.net released their 2025 ranking of top quant master programs globally. Congratulations to all programs featured in this ranking.
The full ranking will be available on Dec 23, 2024 but you can get the listing here.
https://www.risk.net/quant-masters-guide
Boston MSMFT program is looking to hire a new program director who will also direct their new Master of Finance (starting Fall 2025).
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ashley-baum0817_program-director-msmftmsf-questrom-school-activity-7274426405168287745-HDZh?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
I would have to look into this as this is not a stock function we can readily enable. Creating another account is an easy solution but very inconvenient.
What would be the best use case for this?
Your tracker is still pending so I assume you have not received an official rejection letter yet?
I can't talk to why you did not get an invite. Looking at the Tracker data, I find them very efficient with an average processing time of 39 days from submit to result.
What other programs are you...
Yes, apply and then sign up for their pre-MFE courses to address that. If you perform well in the course, it will matter more than the B- you got in college.
Their pre-MFE courses are designed for people like you: to refresh the knowledge and prove that you can handle intensive coursework to...
I would say trying to reach out to different people on LinkedIn who has a job profile you target and ask for thesis/project idea. This may be a long shot as most professionals in this industry are busy as is.
Another idea is reach out to professors at different universities or quant master...
Take a look at the syllabus of the same courses from both places and see which one is more mathematical rigorous. That is the one you want to take. The hardest path is usually one that prepares you better.
Best of luck. This is a long journey but thousands of QuantNet members have been where you...
I would start here. There are tons of free reading materials that you can use to get a better understanding of the industry. Then, you can start networking with people to learn more. It's never ending so it does not matter which channels you use to pursue the knowledge...
Get some relevant work experience, build some projects that relate to quantitative finance, either through work or side projects.
Build up your math background to meet the requirements, through local colleges or online like Baruch pre-MFE courses.
Get your Python/C++/database skills current...
I have seen some misconceptions that applicants who looked at the average GRE/GPA of admitted class and surprised that they did not get admitted when their stats are better. It's a very naive thinking.
The admission process is a lot more nuanced than that. The data that people willing to share...
When did you have your first interview?
I am imploring all applicants to put their applications in the Tracker to help yourself and all other fellow applicants to avoid this anxiety-filled period.
@MRoss probably has seen way more people with wide range of experience and expectations to know what works and not. Things are not as rosy or easy as people make it out to be.
Most people will have a few challenging first years to see if they can make it.
Harvard, USC, Cornell and other universities are issuing travel advisories to their international students. If you are from India or China, this may affect you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/us/colleges-international-students-trump-travel-ban.html
No. Community colleges are a good way to take the courses, get a good grade on a transcripts that you can use to meet the requirements.
No reason to spend extra. In many cases, community courses are better. I know many great professors teaching high level math courses at CC.
Since you have a longer runway to prepare than many applicants, I would suggest approach this strategically. Research the programs and reach out to them to see if they have specific requirements about the courses.
Optimize your plan to meet these requirements.
In general, course from extension...
I'm going to approach this as making sure you and everyone is doing more than the requirements. After all, requirements are minimum and many applicants meet and exceed them.
1) Having a strong C++ will make you eligible for many job opportunities, rather than just getting into a master program...
Most 2024 applications were added to the Tracker in January so I guess we will see the same thing this year. Most discussions will happen when people get interview invites or results.
https://quantnet.com/resources/princeton-university-master-in-finance.6/field?field=applications
NCSU grads get a 110K base salary average the last 3 years from the ranking data. A lot of risk positions there.
This is a more realistic expectation for someone out of the master program with no prior experience.
Frankly, it's a lot less stressful in Charlotte than living in NYC.
I saw this on Reddit and thought it would be informative for students going to programs in NC such as NCSU, UNC at Charlotte where recent graduates make over $100K.
For students coming over from China, India, this will give them some idea the cost of living in Charlotte, the largest city in...
The compensation in tech is lucrative when it is in stock options, not salary. Your stock option making you millions depend on which startup your join and many factors, sometimes luck.
The compensation in finance is a base and bonus. The amount of bonus depends on how close you are to the front...
It will depend on who interviews you. It can be technical if an alumni interviews you. Otherwise, it will be behavior (why UCB MFE, career goals, etc).
Make sure to go over your resume well and can answer anything you put on it.
No need to do the GRE if you already did the GMAT and have a 100th percentile in Q. That's all they want to see in either tests.
The choice of taking GRE or GMAT comes down to the type of programs you apply to. Business school programs usually require GMAT.
GS Quant is a Python toolkit for quantitative finance, created on top of one of the world’s most powerful risk transfer platforms. Designed to accelerate development of quantitative trading strategies and risk management solutions, crafted over 25 years of experience navigating global markets...
If you are referring to the pre-MFE courses by Baruch, I think the best advice is to reach out to them with your profile and see what is needed.
They may tell you in which sequence to take those courses.
Ideally, you take all those pre-MFE courses or its equivalences recently to prepare...
Around 2 weeks.
https://quantnet.com/resources/georgia-institute-of-technology-ms-in-quantitative-and-computational-finance.15/field?field=applications
Your low GPA and GRE Q did not make the cut. Use this work experience and time to properly prepare for next year. You need to show you can take courses and do well to overcome the old GPA.
Follow @grxthy plan for Fall 2026 and take all the courses needed to strengthen your profile. This is the...
You can then load up on all the math courses while getting your economics degree. An extra math course a semester or so will help. All the math courses (stochastic, probability, measure theory, etc) would help make your life easier during the MFE study.
Seek out research opportunities with your professors in quantitative finance, machine learning, or computational math. Focus on producing tangible results like publications, presentations, or posters at academic conferences.
Create a GitHub repository showcasing projects in financial modeling...
A second master is always overkill if you haven't fully leveraged your existing education and experience to gain entry-level roles in risk management. Maybe ramp up your skills in programming (Python/C++), rework your resume, network, and target more realistic roles. There are plenty of risk...
Princeton admission seems quite this year. Deadline is coming up on the Dec 15th but only a handful on the Tracker.
https://quantnet.com/resources/princeton-university-master-in-finance.6/field?field=applications
Have anyone been invited to interview? How did you do on the QBA?
Time to put it on the Tracker and get the action going. I saw close to a dozen trackers for 2025.
Best of luck to all and let's share your experience, tips...
Top firms recruit people without a finance background. If you are very smart and have a STEM background, then you can apply and compete with others.
https://www.twosigma.com/articles/from-stem-to-finance-employees-share-their-stories/
Start here and ask you reach a certain topic, you can do further research.
https://quantnet.com/threads/master-reading-list-for-quants-mfe-financial-engineering-students.535/
Some programs may prefer candidates with relevant job experience but most will admit strong candidates without work experience. Don't sell yourself short. PhD is not something you casually consider. It's a serious time commitment without a guaranteed outcome.
It appears you need to really...
Probability theory, measure theory, stochastic calculus. There are the knowledge that most students struggle with during MFE study without a proper background.
Any programs will say that they have a holistic approach to evaluate applications i.e looking at your profile as a whole instead of focusing on specific numbers.
As long as you meet their checkboxes and can make a compelling case, you will be considered instead of straight reject.
#1...
I'm going to be brutally honest so you make an informed decision.
Everything you said points to a lack of serious commitment on your part. You went to a top university in your country but didn't take it seriously.
You are preparing for one of the most intensive study period in your life by...
Just apply. Worry about this vague requirement later when you come to it. If you delay, you will miss the deadline. This is one of the easiest requirements to meet.
Put your application timelines on the Tracker. That's all I ask from all the applicants using the free resources on QuantNet.
Each program is ranked based on the strength of their data (admission, placement, etc).
NYU had a similar dip in the 2021 ranking. You can see how their admission numbers changed over year. Everything is very transparent.
Each tab here shows the data over the years. There are insights from the...
GRE is a small items on your checklist. Most programs will look at your GRE Q and if you are above a certain cutoff, one item is checked off. Try to get as high as you can on GRE Q, beyond that, the return on spending more time on this is diminishing.
You can always contact the programs to...
Here is another tip
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/abhijeet-mutha_these-5-resume-changes-got-me-shortlisted-activity-7268119120892575744-ASxI?utm_source=combined_share_message&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_campaign=copy_link
Hey @David Maltz
Thank you for your input which I really appreciate. Everything Quantnet has done over the years is to pursue one mission: to provide members like you with information, hard data and knowledge to best prepare for a career as a quantitative finance professional.
Students reviews...
Generic advice about the resume: use a standard font: Times New Roman, etc. Get everything in one page. No student at this level needs more than one page.
Some programs publish their graduates resume books. Use that as a template.
I'm told by my university contact at Bayes that the 3 following UK programs will be consolidated into one with separate tracks. The Bayes Business School also just merged with St George’s, University of London so now the program will be called City St George’s, University of London, Bayes...
It's not all that you should do. Read books and master key concepts before you even apply. Become really good coder. Masters interview skills and key areas. Many resources online to get these done.
Anything you do, there are thousands of people out there doing way more and ready to take your...
You will get into some programs on the QuantNet rankings but for your own good, best to aim for the best programs. This may mean make your profile stronger. Your GRE is fine as far as GRE Q is concerned.
Getting into the MFE program is the easiest part of the process. Being able to be ready on...
Step 1: sign up on Quantnet and post questions. Check
Step 2: read everything you can here from articles in the master reading list, by program directors, the AMA threads, discussions from other applicants. This step may take a few months to a year to really digest.
Ask @MikeLawrence what he has...
Update the second post. Click on the TableView of the ranking to see the side-by-side comparison.
https://quantnet.com/threads/2025-quantnet-rankings-of-quantitative-finance-financial-engineering-programs.59971/#post-344623
I would rather spend the next 3 years learning how to code really well, learn math and the interview prep.
Spending 3 years to get a top 250 in Putnam is not a productive way to get into this industry.
Let aim for something more realistic for someone with your profile. There are jobs outside of...
I was guess right. These programs from business school are not going to be financially viable with a small class size.
When MIT MFin first enrolled the first cohort in 2010, they had only 27 students out of 179 applicants.
I think Chicago Booth MFin will likely get applicants who interested in...
Congrats. This is excellent given how competitive it is to get these offers.
It's true that many MFE grads dream of getting into buy-side roles. It seems like MFE programs have been training people for sell-side roles for too long.
I'm curious to hear what people familiar with these firms have...
Factoring in ROI when evaluating programs is certainly a valid approach, and it’s likely that many applicants already perform their own mental ROI calculations by considering variables like tuition, compensation, cost of living, and other factors.
In fact, numerous publications already rank...
According to the latest review, UCB MFE will announce a new director soon. Some big name that will make the program better.
https://quantnet.com/resources/university-of-california-berkeley-master-of-financial-engineering.3/reviews#resource-review-2674
The survey sent to programs follows a standardized format for calculating and reporting placement data at graduation and the three-month mark, a process we’ve maintained consistently for many years. Programs are responsible for surveying their graduates and providing accurate and truthful data...
2025 Rankings takes inputs as below
Admissions data for students starting in Spring and/or Fall 2024.
Employment data for graduates in Dec 2023 or May 2024 (depends on programs).
For example, looking at NYU Tandon acceptance rate in the 2025 rankings, the 28% is based on those starting in Fall...
Your 161 GRE Q is going to prevent you from getting into many programs. Programs that you may get into may not be worth attending.
You need to have a very strong profile or competitive edge to succeed in this industry.
I don't see any of that in your post.
Strong profile with relevant courses and good grade. Being a domestic student is a big plus. Programs will give this some preference.
Definitely will make sure you are very comfortable with C++ and Python as they will be your ticket to many quant positions.
Take a look at the newly released 2025...
Take a look at this and see what else you are missing
https://quantnet.com/threads/feedback-on-plan-for-building-profile-for-baruch-mfe-fall-2026.59132/#post-341640
Address your lack of programming. Learn C++ and/or Python.
Take any missing math courses, especially measured theory, probability. Many MFE programs have a core stochastic course where many students without a proper math background suffer greatly.
Not much on your post to give any specific...
We got the first review for this program from one of our members. Thank you @MVDP
This program seems like it has serious resources behind it and can be a big player in the next few years.
https://quantnet.com/resources/university-of-chicago-master-in-finance.103/reviews#resource-review-2673
Yes, that idea did cross my mind. In the meantime, we do keep track of each program's rank over the years. Here is an example
https://quantnet.com/resources/princeton-university-master-in-finance.6/field?field=ranking
We hope to release the UK rankings early next year.
Yale Asset Management was invited but chose to not participate. Hopefully, they will return in future rankings.
2025 methodology is the same as 2024. See link above.
Allow me to help with the drama so you have more to talk at Thanksgiving dinner. I'm going to slowly release the full list, starting at the bottom at 10 AM. It will be done differently from previous rankings.
@debs_oliveira
Can you put your UCB MFE timeline on the Tracker?
Are you applying anywhere else? If so, please put them there as well as we can all share results are coming in.
Yes, anyone subscribed to our list will receive a sneak peek of the ranking via email tomorrow at 9 AM EST. The full 2025 ranking page, featuring comprehensive data (acceptance rates, employment rates, salaries, etc.), will go live at 10 AM EST.
This staggered release helps us manage traffic on...
@wyn
This is much appreciated. It would be much, much better if you can write a formal review for the program where it can be seen by many more people.
https://quantnet.com/resources/boston-university-ms-in-mathematical-finance-and-financial-technology.16/reviews#resource-review-2669
That is a great idea. I would really love to connect to people who completed the C++/Python courses and maybe have a meetup in different cities.
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Thank you for this useful information, Andrew. This answers many of my questions.
Based on the Tracker data, the average processing time for GaTech applications is 74 days. This year may see some delay based on the personnel issues.
Learn it because you want to get a job in this industry, not just to get into some MFE programs.
Majority of the daily task for majority of people with an MFE degree will be working with data, writing/fixing scripts, coding. The better you are with the tools of the trade, the more job security...
How to Decode the QuantNet Rankings for Deeper Insights
QuantNet rankings are more than just numbers—they’re a gateway to understanding program quality, career outcomes, and earning potential. Here’s how you can unlock the key insights:
1. Look Beyond the Rank: Focus on Total Score
The Total...
We are pleased to announce the publication of the QuantNet 2025 Rankings of Financial Engineering programs.
The full 2025 QuantNet MFE ranking is released here
For comparison, the 2024 QuantNet MFE ranking is here.
New for 2025 ranking
Graduate Report Rate: This reflects the percentage of...
Congratulations. My advice is to take the job and learn everything you can on the job. MFE programs are always there and you will have a much stronger profile when you apply. Most importantly, with some work experience you will know which skills and knowledge you need to develop.
Almost three quarters of universities in England will face financial problems next year - despite tuition fees increasing, the BBC has been told.
A report published on Friday reveals how financial issues faced by most universities are even worse than previously thought. The Office for Students...
MIT MFin recently added Programming for Finance Professionals as a core course to its program. They acknowledge that you can't be a finance professional without knowing programming these days.
15.004 Programming for Finance Professionals (Summer Term)
All MFins will enroll in a pass/fail course...
You may technically qualify for it as they may show up on your transcript. But this is a very minimum requirements and using high school AP courses to meet graduates requirements do not transpire confidence to me.
I believe that you would hugely benefit from going through some intensive prep...
Congrats on having your ducks on a row. Sounds like a good profile for quant dev roles. Won't hurt if you add a few more programs to the list. GaTech probably.
The focus would now on making your applications compelling and doing well in the admission interviews.
I would say majority of incoming...
Same situation with this member. You have to meet every single condition to be considered but admission is not guaranteed. This has been a dilemma for many applicants as long as I remember.
https://quantnet.com/resources/university-of-california-berkeley.9291/
Stephen Miller is named into Trump administration with a much extensive role. Miller has authored most of Trump anti-immigration rules.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/11/us/politics/stephen-miller-trump.html
Straight talk: no STEM degree, not enough math, no programming, weak GRE Q. You may get into Stony Brook and Fordham based on them having the highest acceptance rates among the programs list.
That said, it's not a given as this will depend on the strength of each admission cohort.
Why do that...
At the very least, master C++ and Python as they will be your meal tickets. Read as much about the finance industry as you can. Mac or PC is just a tool. Pick one that makes your job easier.
Can you clarify your points about some metrics being 2 years lag?
To your point about having some sort of input from recent students, I think it would benefit prospective students as far as having a deeper insight into the programs.
This is the exact reason I have tried to get as much alumni...
I think this question is worthy of a serious discussion.
The right question should be "will less students come to the US during the second Trump presidency?"
I saw a reject recently.
https://quantnet.com/resources/georgia-institute-of-technology-ms-in-quantitative-and-computational-finance.15/field?field=applications
This is the money post right here. UK programs don't have the type of career services that US programs are known for. The top UK programs all have good names and good connections with industry practitioners teaching and employers hiring.
A very good idea would be to really read the QuantNet...
Princeton MFin received 1,064 applications for their Fall 2024. This is their all-time record and the first time they broke the 1,000 mark.
Will be curious to see what the trend looks like this year. They have a very short admission window compared to other programs.
Only one way to find out. There are lots of factors and some luck involved besides GPA.
I'll say submit them, put them on the Tracker and I'll send some prayers your way.
If you look at the ranking, you will see the employment rate at graduation of each program. Most programs have a non-zero rate so some students at those programs are able to secure full-time employment at graduation. I would suspect those are usually from return offers obtained during summer...
My understanding is that anyone, living anywhere can apply to the Pre-MFE courses since it's online. It's not a college-credit course so the F-1 visa is not applicable.
Yes, take the GRE and see how you perform. If you get a good GRE Q, report it to those programs.
Remember that a 169-170 Q does not say much about how you will perform in these programs, so GRE is not a critical factor for many adcoms.
You have good and relevant work experience. They will need...
They enrolled 116 students in the first cohort starting in 2024.
The average tuition will be $114,000 for this 15 months program.
Prerequisite Courses
While there are no specific required classes, it is recommended applicants have taken advanced quantitative coursework and have exposure to...
They have no scholarship but you can apply for funding in the form of graduate teaching assistantship, graduate assistantship from different departments. You get some money in exchange to teaching.
You can see more at around 1h:02m mark in the first video...
Bonus for being a domestic applicant. Strong stats on paper.
You need to communicate convincingly why you choose this program and this career track. The essay needs to demonstrate your understanding of the industry and how you fit in.
Make sure to post your application timelines on the Tracker...
@JoaquinGaray
Did you get your answer somewhere or still looking?
Normally, you should get 20-30 vacation days a year. You also get 5 personal days, 10 sick days or something similar to this.
The exact number is pretty much dependent on the firm, the group and the team one will be working with.
The ORFE dept at Columbia is strong. I'm not familiar with the career services for undergraduates there but there have been many recent complaints from their MFE students which is a more well-known program there.
I strongly advise you to do proper research on the career services for BS there...
Aim higher. ETH Zurich is a good option to fall back in.
If you are going to use your Fulbright grant, may as well go to the top programs assume you meet all the requirements and can handle the high level math. They would love to admit a Fulbright scholar for bragging right.
ORFE as an undergrad is too rigid a structure unless you know 100% you will go to graduate school in the same subject. How is the recruiting scene for ORFE at Columbia for undergrad? What kind of roles do graduates get with this degree?
With a CS, you keep your option open but do not much FE...
If you can properly prepare for applications, apply to all the targeted programs. You have decent shots at many programs.
I would stress that the workload is overwhelming in many top programs, especially those with heavy mathematical courses where stochastic calculus, probability, measure theory...
The Tracker now shows which QuantNet courses our members have taken. This gives a better idea of the strength of each profile besides the usual GPA/GRE.
See some examples below
https://quantnet.com/resources/university-of-chicago.9158/
https://quantnet.com/resources/columbia-university.8722/
I suspect many profiles with internships on see on the Tracker are from oversea (China/India) and those are very loosely defined as quantitative roles. The finance industry outside of the US is way less developed.
I post a list for Summer 2025 internship here. Many requires a MS degree or PhD...
@shaps @abeeqt @kznil @zeqix
We have a new alum review of the program that you guys should see. Very detailed and should give you a head up on what to expect.
@grxthy
I saw that @Kevin Griffin took the same set of courses like you plan (pre-MFE courses, QuantNet C++ courses, etc). He was admitted to Baruch MFE in 2023 according to the bio page.
Kevin was literally a NASA engineer. I saw his post about about working at a jet propulsion lab but didn't...
Yes, I saw this trend too of people in high school asking on reddit/discord about their plan to get into quant finance.
I feel old just by reading them. I remember a lot of people in this very thread discovering the MFE programs in their late 20s or early 30s.
The ranking now shows the average/mean undergraduate GPA of admitted students as reported by programs.
Keep in mind when you look at the admitted profiles in the Tracker, many GPA is self-reported and self-converted from a non 4.0 scale while the GPA reported by programs may use a different...
I'm working on showing the Tracker data pulled from each program to show your chance based on GPA/GRE/etc.
It will only show if you add your data to the Tracker.
Learn C++ and Python really well, do a few quant projects to showcase.
With above average math background (math major) and a strong programming skillset (you are smart enough to learn them), you should be able to find a role in the industry.
Not quantitative enough. This is more evident by Corporate Finance being a core course. More like a traditional finance degree with a few technical courses added in.
Depends on your career goal, this may not be the right program.
Glad you find the information helpful. I realize we are the only publication that collects and shares this kind of niche data.
I post this type of info on LinkedIn for the wider audience so people can follow me on LinkedIn to get posts like this.
For members here, they will have access to more...
You just discover MFE degree and it appears you are missing a few requirements. Most people here will leave about a year or more to prepare.
You can take the calculus courses at your local community college and take the C++ course here.
It seems daunting but you are not alone. You will get...
Pain is good. You will see this stochastic probability again when you start your MFE and I can tell you it will be harder. A lot of people got a big shock with it (myself included). You will be dealing with it while preparing for interviews, taking other courses and being overloaded with tasks...
Application deadline for Fall 2025 is Dec 15, 2024 and decisions should roll out around March 2025.
Welcome @kombuchalover @feelthegnar @Shuaiii to the first group of our members who applied.
Best of luck, guys and keep the updates coming.
This discussion is a good example why many programs move away from GRE. Relying on the GRE to filter applicants is very convenient but top programs know they will miss good candidates.
Baruch MFE has their own QBA test. Other programs have their own criteria or waive the GRE.
GPA and how you...
GaTech has some recorded Q/A where they address the GRE Verbal question.
https://quantnet.com/resources/georgia-institute-of-technology-ms-in-quantitative-and-computational-finance.15/
If you apply to more programs in the fall and get a better GRE Q, you increase your chance a lot. Some programs have an explicit GPA cut off north of 3.0.
I'm going to be frank and say that your only edge is being a domestic student. For a lack of better words, some programs may accept you as a...
Couple of questions.
Are you US citizen/resident?
Why Spring 2025?
Cal MFE is UC Berkeley MFE?
Are you sure NCSU and Stony Brook have spring enrollment? If so, links?
If you must enroll in the Spring, it limits your option to a handful of programs. With your current GPA/GRE Q, your options and...
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If you're applying to quantitative master’s programs in the US, here's an exclusive list of programs that offer scholarships along with their award amounts. This list is based on the Tracker data. Don't miss out on this valuable resource!
Carnegie Mellon University - MS in Computational...
As long as the new role give you opportunities to increase responsibility and skill set, it is a good move toward the quant dev role.
Quant dev will require skills in various aspects, many involving IT tasks such as database, cloud servers, UI.
Hi Harvey,
Do you know there are many quant graduates work in Oil and Gas? I know many Quantnet members working in Houston.
If you want to use your experience in OG and work in the same field later on, it is something to keep in mind. There are many trading firms that are little known but...
Take measure theory based probability, real analysis. Stochastic calculus is the course most MFE students have a tough time with and you don't want to struggle with the HW while dealing with internship search.
Also, broaden your list to more programs from our rankings. Those programs above have...
Take a look at the video on the program's page. It has some useful info and admission tips.
https://quantnet.com/resources/georgia-institute-of-technology-ms-in-quantitative-and-computational-finance.15/
The verbal score may or may not be affect the overall application. It depends on other factors of your application. Are you an English speaker?
Did you get your bachelor in the US?
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