- Headline
- Great school, great people, don't come here though
- Class of
- 2025
Graduating soon but I’m going to try to give an in-depth and honest review of the program for the incoming applicants. I am generally happy with my own outcome at UCLA and I emphasize this to point out my review is not an expression of personal frustration. I am appreciative of the program, so my hope is my feedback can be used by both future applicants and admin.
Student Quality:
Probably the worst part of this program. Around a quarter of the class admits to having zero prior programming knowledge and I overheard one student say they’ve never taken any calculus before. Also almost a quarter of the program has only a passing interest in quantitative finance and are immediately turned away when they realize the rigor and breadth of knowledge required, and instead pivot to targeting traditional finance roles. Few come into this program prepared with the baseline knowledge required for the coursework or about the industry.
But what’s the worst is the work ethic and culture. For the mandatory career prep coursework before the MFE started, only ~15% completed it by the deadline. The homework load is designed to be handled by a group of 4-5 randomly assigned, but every group I knew of was filled with freeloaders who did not contribute. Cheating on exams is rampant (hint to admin, nobody needs to go to the bathroom that often) and almost everyone’s assignment submissions are thoughtless ChatGPT copy/paste. Lectures are more than half empty and many TA sessions have zero attendance, yet they will complain about how hard the material is, how bad their grades are, and that the MFE didn’t help them find jobs. The department has an unofficial "no Fs" grading policy, which works in favor of many who would otherwise be flunked out.
Despite this, there are many standout individuals who are extremely intelligent and hardworking. The range of quality in this program is shocking, you have professionals with strong international experience somehow in the same cohort as fresh grads who are scared of a matrix and need AI to debug a print statement.
Sadly, behind the scenes the admin has acknowledged that most students here do not have what it takes to work in the quant industry. Admissions should tighten up standards to improve program outcomes, but it’s a chicken and egg problem. Why would good applicants want to join a program with a poor ranking, but the program will continue to have a poor ranking until good applicants join.
Courses/Instructors:
Decent range of electives with generally good quality and depth (the MBA electives are a waste of time and it’s a shame they’re offered, if you want MBA level coursework you shouldn’t be in an MFE) but I’ll focus on the mandatory courses:
Quarter 1:
Investments: The class is a little too basic, spending weeks going over how simple cash flow discounting works, but it picks up faster near the end and gets the job done. Chernov is a knowledgeable and pleasant instructor, but does not come across as very involved. Usually fair assignments and exams.
Financial Accounting: Easily the worst class in the entire curriculum. Accounting being a core class in an MFE is a questionable decision, and while Dill is a pleasant person that responds to feedback, the material is taught poorly and he is also arguably not best suited to teach this course. Individuals from traditional finance backgrounds were getting confused by in this accounting class. This class should be compressed into a 2-week crash course before program starts and replaced with another; dedicating a quarter of the most important semester in the internship search to accounting is a terrible decision. Fair assignments and exams, despite having to pay to do weekly assignments on an online textbook.
Stochastic Calculus: On the opposite side of Accounting, this class is amazing. Panageas is a passionate instructor and this material is challenging but the class is designed for you to pass. His explanations and derivations in class are phenomenal at presenting complicated concepts in simple terms. Challenging assignments but very fair exams.
Econometrics: Another good stand out in the first quarter. Despite Yavorsky coming from a marketing background, he is exceptionally knowledgeable and skilled at presenting econometrics concepts at a technical level. He will not rest until you truly have learned the material, and you will learn a lot of material. Only downside to this class is it is taught in R (including a 1-week R bootcamp before class), let’s let that language die already. Relatively easier assignments but harder yet still fair exams.
Quarter 2:
Derivative Markets: The highlight (or lowlight depending on what kind of student you are) of the entire MFE program. This class is no longer the cake walk described in earlier reviews, it is extremely rigorous and technical and builds on Stochastic Calculus. Reiner is a passionate instructor who knows almost everything there is to know about derivatives, although sometimes he has trouble communicating it to us who are seeing most of this for the first time. It also feels like we are trying to learn too much in too little time or not spending our time on some material wisely. The TA sessions for this class are also a standout in terms of expertise and difficulty, one of the very few TA sessions attended by most students. The assignments are usually very hard and lengthy, as well as the exams. Students perform so poorly, a 0 on his midterm got you a B+ after the curve this year.
Empirical Methods: An extension of Econometrics which is taught by Lochstoer who again is very knowledgeable and pleasant individual. Useful material, but the class doesn’t stand out either positively or negatively. Maybe a little bit too much time spent on old topics like Fama-Macbeth but otherwise a good class. The assignments and exams are of medium difficulty.
Fixed Income Markets: Picks up where Investments finishes off. While it starts again quite slow, it goes into great technical depth of fixed income pricing. Longstaff is an expert, and his strength comes in explaining these hard concepts in layman’s terms during the lecture, then having us go on to implement these ideas in more technical ways during assignments. His assignments vary from easy to hard (but always fair) and his exams were on the harder side.
Trading, Market Frictions, and FinTech: This is an MBA level course that doesn’t go beyond the surface level of a variety of topics and was considered a running joke amongst the entire cohort. Zhang is again friendly and approachable, but her demeanor doesn’t compensate for bad material. I understand the intention behind a class like this, but it needs to be revamped and increased in depth to bring it to the level of quantitative finance. Extremely easy assignments and exams, just forget this class exists.
Quarter 3:
Risk Management: A useful course taught by Haddad. Haddad has an important quality of being able to explain why this material matters and will schedule extra time out of his day to help the class succeed. The main criticism is that it feels like the whole class is just spent talking about different variations of VaR which gets quite repetitive. Medium difficulty assignments and exams.
Data Analytics & ML: A continuation of Empirical Methods taught again by Lochstoer. More interesting but still relatively foundational topics discussed such as non-linear models, otherwise runs exactly like Empirical Methods. This was recently made a mandatory course, which I believe is a positive step for the program. Same difficulty as Empirical Methods.
Quarter 4:
Applied Finance Project (AFP): AFP can be hit or miss depending on the firm you are anonymously selected by and the work group you have formed. This isn’t a class in the traditional sense.
Career Services:
Antoine runs the career team with Jeremy assisting on the administrative front. Both are extremely approachable for help or advice, and Antoine’s strengths lie in creating and rebuilding the alumni networks (alongside Leanna in the admin). There is an annual NY career trip that has been moved to October, to be more in line with recruiting timelines. They also have a resume book and occasionally invite industry speakers, but the career impact of these efforts is not very strong.
Unfortunately, that’s where the positives of the career team end. Nobody has any first-hand experience with quantitative finance, and at times their efforts may even be detrimental. This cohort was forced to attend 9 hours of mandatory MBA coaching on “how to build a story in your interview”, something that would probably get you laughed out of a quant interview if you couldn’t pass the technicals. They do organize technical sessions (QIPS) but these are infrequent, loosely structured, and don’t fulfill the technical preparation needs. Targeted technical preparation is the key to passing quant interviews, and there isn’t anywhere near enough emphasis put on it.
The people in the career team are amazing individuals, but they need a hands-on expert who knows what they’re doing in this industry. Don’t rely on the them to be anything other than a supportive shoulder to cry on. Career outcomes are weak and have been getting worse over time, most graduates don’t go on to work in quantitative finance at all.
Overall:
UCLA’s MFE ranking is deflated by the poor admit quality and career outcomes, but the program instruction is still relatively competitive (top 10 QN peer score, actually above MIT and NYU Tandon). Admin is composed of great people, acknowledges most of its weaknesses, and are attempting to make some changes, but it’s not enough. It also seems like they’re hampered a lot by the department, maybe this is the business school (dis)advantage they always advertise. At the end of the day, this is just another cash cow program targeting internationals just like almost every other MFE out there. Potential applicants, keep in mind what’s hidden in these rankings is there is a selection bias; having met individuals in all MFE programs, it’s not as if Baruch or Berkeley will transform you into expert quants after a year of coursework, they simply tend to admit only those that have the highest probability to succeed in the industry in the first place.
If you are an international applicant, are passionate about breaking into the US quant finance industry, are willing to put in a lot of work inside and outside the classroom, and are able to pay one of the highest tuition fees (and worst scholarships) amongst MFE programs, UCLA’s MFE will get your foot through the door. If you do not tick all these boxes, do not go here.
This last piece of advice applies not just to UCLA MFE applicants but all MFE applicants, perhaps consider a technical non-MFE graduate degree instead (CS, Stats, OR, etc.); something you won’t be told a lot is that all MFE programs are blacklisted at many top quant firms.
- Recommend
- No, I would not recommend this program
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