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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andy Nguyen" data-source="post: 2343" data-attributes="member: 1">Interesting that this thread is still going strong half a year later. At least now, each of us has been through the course to make some sensible suggestions <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite24" alt=":thumbsup:" title="Thumbs Up    :thumbsup:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":thumbsup:" />I know where Max and SP come from with their suggestions, but you guys forget about its feasibility. There is absolutely no way to install that requirement from an administrator's point of view.Let's face it, some students never know C++ before and some still don't. The current C++ requirement for incoming students is a bare minimum at best. Some of us met the minimum by having taken the courses years ago. That's like meeting the requirement by letters but not its spirit. The spirit of the requirement is you having a current and up-to-date C++ skill. There is no way to verify that. This is where refresher course comes in very helpful.How would you verify that the incoming students have a working matrix/bond/duration/what-have-you classes ? In addition, to enforce your suggestions, we in effect eliminate all candidates not from programming background. Even those with programming background may struggle to code bond, BS without taking the Numerical/Financial Instrument class. So that's where we are at. Being said that, we like to point out that the responsibility lays solely on the hands of the incoming students to arm themselves to teeth with the C++ skills. With the C++ refresher and the first semester programming course, do not expect that Baruch will transform you into a top notch programmer, specially if you are non-programmer to begin with.This discussion is really helpful for incoming students because they know what they should expect/prepare.I started this discussion in August/06 and now, looking back, maybe having one C++ course is a blessing in disguise <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />Knowing what I know now, I'd rather spend 10 hours of my working day at my jobs doing something involved money than to debug some memory leak in some pricing models.I'm also very grateful for my mentor, who is instrumental in helping me recognize the common mistakes. He shows me where the business is, where the dead end job is. The biggest lession I learn from him is that we need to know what we want to do, narrow down to the market/product/role. It's hard to do for someone with my background but that's the only way to not waste some many years doing boring jobs.</blockquote>

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