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The kind of appropriate program

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Hi guys,

I would like to ask you for some help regarding how to evaluate the appropriate program in function of my goal.

I have an engineer ug with major in finance and 3 years of experience as a sales-trader, first in the equity desk and at the present time in the fx market.

The thing is that I'm looking for a program where I can see in a depth way topics oriented for a portfolio manager career.

I know that for that kind of position experience is relevant but also your academic background.

So what I would like to know is what are the relevant courses that I have to look for in a program curriculum to evaluate if this fits for my needs.

Perhaps giving my academic and professional background it wouldn't be necessary a MFE program, maybe just a MFin or an Econ program with financial economics specialization...I don't know.

Please, I would be very grateful if you can give me some guidance on that.

Thanks in advance
 
Wouldn't you just do your CFA and switch over to a Portfolio Management side of the bank as an Analyst or Associate? What skill sets do you feel you are missing? You get to be a PM by experience, you are an analyst, do the hours to get certified, then get a small pool of money and work your way up.

My previous firm that was the ops trader path, do CFA and get hired by one of the PMs, more than anything it was networking.
 
Thanks for your comment joelb,

So do you think it wouldn't be necessary to take the MFE option or a graduate degree in Fin or Econ?.

The skill sets I think am missing although not sure if they are strictly necessary for a PM position are mainly tools to formulate, test and apply quantitative models for the asset allocation, how to hedge a portfolio, etc..... and the depth understanding of economic variables that would affect the decisions about what, where and when to invest.

Do you think that the study for CFA could give me that kind of tools in a rigorous manner?.

I have the chance to be fully funded by my current firm for whatever program I choose between MFE, MFin or MEcon (I'm not interested in MBA). In this case which program do you think will be more efficient for me?. I still could take the CFA examinations in a easy pace.

Thanks for your thoughts joelb
 
Oh someone will pay for it, that is good. Can't say no to that.

As far as program choices go, some other people may have better insight. I personally am targeting MFE because I want to do the math, and the programming. MFE is not for you unless you have an interest in programming, from my research it's a pretty big component of the work.

CFA is specifically about Portfolio Management and Financial Analysis, and much of that cirrciulum is in Masters of Finance Programs. This wiki entry on Master of Finance Covers a lot of the differences in MFE, MFin, MSFin, MBA. I would suggest you read these, and decide where you think you fit:

Master of Finance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Structure

In the typical M.S.F., the core curriculum is focused on investment analysis, corporate finance and financial management / managerial accounting. These topics are generally preceded by more fundamental coursework in economics, accounting, and quantitative methods (usually time value of money and introductory statistics). In many programs, these are a prerequisite for admission or assumed as known, and if part of the curriculum, students with appropriate background may be exempt from (several of) these. The M.S.F. usually concludes with advanced topics—where several areas are integrated or applied—such as portfolio management, financial modeling, mergers and acquisitions and real options. In general, M.S.F. programs emphasize quantitative topics, although may also offer some non-quantitative elective coursework, such as corporate governance, business ethics and business strategy.

The curriculum often also includes financial economics and financial risk management as advanced topics (and sometimes managerial economics and quantitative finance / computational finance) - areas which are usually studied as disciplines in their own right, via specialized degrees in economics and applied mathematics. On M.S.F. programs, the exposure will usually be limited to the generalist level: these branches of economics are usually taught to strengthen the theoretical underpin of the degree, however, since the emphasis is application, they are not developed; the computational topics, although practical, are too technical for a generalist finance degree. As regards the M.Fin. here, see comparison below.
Programs usually require a bachelor's degree prior to admission, but many do not require that the undergraduate major be in finance, economics, or even general business; the usual requirement is a sufficient level of numeracy—often including some exposure to calculus and / or probability. Some programmes may require work experience (sometimes at the managerial level), particularly if the candidate lacks a relevant undergraduate degree.

Comparison with other qualifications

Although there is some overlap with an M.B.A., the M.S.F. provides a broader and deeper exposure to finance, but more limited exposure to general management topics. Thus, an M.S.F. focuses on finance and financial markets, while an M.B.A., by contrast, is more diverse, covering general aspects of business not dealt with in the M.S.F., such as human resource management and operations management. Note that an M.B.A. without a specialization in finance will not have covered many of the topics dealt with in the M.S.F. (breadth), and — often even where there is specialization — those areas that are covered may be in less depth. (Some M.B.A. candidates will "dual major" with an M.B.A./M.S.F., or later pursue an M.S.F. degree, to gain specialized finance knowledge; some universities also offer this combination as a joint degree.) A Master of Commerce / Master of Science in Management in finance or financial management closely correspond to the MSF. Note though, that these degrees typically place more emphasis on theory and (sometimes) less on practice.

Some M.S.F. programs overlap with degrees in financial engineering, computational finance and mathematical finance (see Master of Quantitative Finance). Note, however, that the treatment of any common topics—usually financial modeling and risk management—will differ as to level of detail and approach. The M.S.F. aims to produce finance generalists, whereas these programs aim to train "quants" (i.e specialists in derivatives, fixed income, alternative financial instruments and risk analysis). Their curricula are therefore weighted toward stochastic calculus, numerical methods and simulation techniques, while at the same time, their coverage of corporate finance, accounting, equity valuation and portfolio management is only at a high level (if at all). Entrance requirements to these degrees are similarly more mathematical than those for the M.S.F. Note that an M.Fin is often substantially quantitative, and is then largely identical to the MQF.

A Master of Financial Economics focuses on theoretical finance, and on developing models and theory. The two degrees therefore differ in the relative weight assigned to theory. There is some overlap though: firstly, some MSF curricula do include a formal study of Financial Economics; secondly, even where the theory is not studied formally, MSF programs do cover this in the context of understanding the financial models being studied; thirdly, many financial economics programs include coverage of individual financial instruments, corporate finance and portfolio management, although this treatment is usually less practical. Note that an M.Fin overlaps substantially with the Financial Economics degree.

The Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) designation is sometimes compared to a Master's in Finance,
and in fact, several universities have embedded a significant percentage of the CFA Program "Candidate Body of Knowledge" into their degree programs. In general though, the CFA program is focused on portfolio management and financial analysis, and provides more depth in these areas than the standard M.S.F., whereas for other areas of finance the CFA coverage is in less depth. A further distinction is that many M.S.F. topics entail training in advanced techniques such as financial modeling—while training, per se, cannot be included in the CFA program. Similar comments apply to other certifications such as the Certified International Investment Analyst (C.I.I.A.); the so-called "Indian C.F.A." is, in fact, a Master's degree.

MFin and CFA overlap a bit, so you can take them together and in the Mfin you will at least get practical training of the techniques.
 
Thanks joelb, it has been of great help your answers.

My best wishes on your applications.

Regards
 
yeah. it's not bad, i've done most of it already in school or work. Unfortunately I registered for it before getting hip to the MFE path, so I have to do it.
 
CFA is a great accreditation, plus an MFE will makes your cv looks robust.

By the way, which schools are you targeting for an MFE.
 
I will apply to all the top ones in NYC, that are rated here, NYU, Columbia, CMU, Baruch etc.

It's 4 semesters away for me, doing prerequisites starting in Jan full-time at a university in Manhattan. Best of Luck.
 
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