Nytimes.com to charge for viewing next year

Look, I don't see the major problem--local news is completely subsidized by advertising. When I see Fox Philadelphia news in the middle of my Eagles game, there are commercials between them, which pay for the program.

You can do similar things with intelligent placement of advertisements.

If Google can make $21 billion (and probably rising) a year off of ads, it's a model that works.

Indeed it does work -- but on what basis and for whom? In the case of Google, the model works commercially and for Google. Will you use the same criteria for critical coverage of national and international issues? Or would you substitute -- or at least add -- the criteria of informing the public? Or perhaps there is no "public" anymore, and no "society." Just special interests -- vultures and sharks -- circling the cadaver of what used to be a polity, a society. Christ, I need a stiff whiskey ....
 
I think you're a bit wide of the point here, BBW. If instead of a subscription fee, you simply fill out a demographic sheet at the beginning of creating an account so that it could target you with intelligent advertisements that you may be willing to actually think about, as opposed to, oh, television commercials advertising Viagra to a 23 year old, that can go a long way.

And all it really takes are some innocuous ads quietly placed off to the side. If your ads are intrusive, you lose eyeballs.

If it works for Google, it can work for anyone the same way. Attract eyeballs, have them click on links, get paid proportionally to the amount of links clicked.
 
Exactly one year later
New York Times Prepares Plan to Charge for Online Reading - WSJ.com

The New York Times is preparing to introduce multiple subscription packages for access to the paper's website and other digital content, kicking off the biggest test to date of consumers' willingness to pay for news they're accustomed to getting free.

Under the new system, expected to be rolled out next month, the Times will sell an Internet-only subscription for unlimited access to the Times site, as well as a broader digital package that bundles the Times online with its application on the iPad, according to a person familiar with the matter. Subscribers to the print edition of the paper will get full online privileges at no additional cost, Times executives have said.

The person familiar with the matter said the Times has considered charging around $20 a month for the digital bundle and less than half that for the Web-only offering. To read the Times on Amazon.com Inc.'s Kindle e-reader device currently costs $20 per month. The Times has guarded details on pricing, which have evolved during the planning of the system and which could change even after rollout, depending on demand and other factors.

Online readers would get free access to a certain number of pages on the website each month before they are prompted to sign up for a subscription for additional material, an approach currently used by the Financial Times, which is published by Pearson PLC. Executives from New York Times Co. settled on that model over a year ago after they decided it was the best way to tackle the dilemma facing many news organizations: How to balance the need to make up for lost print readership and ad revenue with the risk of taking themselves out of an Internet ecosystem where so much similar material is free. The company declined to comment.


Read more: New York Times Prepares Plan to Charge for Online Reading - WSJ.com
 
There is probably more over-capacity in the market for news than any other human activity.

Today I saw that more 50 different news organizations were present at what in the UK is called an "arraignment" for the murder of one person. That's companies, not people, there were probably nearer 200 staff there.

What's an "arraignment" ? you all cry. It's a formal stage of British prosecution where the police officially say "We know you did it you bastard, and we're going to send you down; you slag". This typically takes three minutes. Cameras are not allowed in the court, and the defendant is not required to say anything other than confirm his identity, so he doesn't.

So there is no possibility of anything actually happening, and if it did, the gathered horde would not be allowed to see it, and if they did see it, the legal rules on reporting cases may stop them reporting it.

Look at press conferences, anywhere from dozens to hundreds of journalists go to gather news you could have got by watching the free live news feed that is standard these days. If they work for big media, maybe they get to ask one question that any competent spin doctor can render harmless. The people who run PCs get to choose who asks a question, so this is not going to give much insight, and even if it does, it is shared because, it's a press conference

They then run stories whose only difference is from the political slant of their owners, and few people take any real notice of them.

Paywalls will make no difference,since iIf 50% of large newspapers in the world were to completely halt publication tomorrow then it's hard to see what difference it would make.
 
Go read the BBC if you want real news. The NYTimes pukes up an extremely leftist view. We have wars in Africa and floods in Brazil and all you will read about is some film star in rehab or some drivel that politicians are throwing out as of late.


NYT is broke because it sucks, plain and simple. I'll start paying when value is produced.
 
I do not believe that the NYT sucks especially hard when compared to most newspapers.

As some of you already know, I do a bit of 'pro-bono' headhunting which is basically to identify slots for interns where none existed before, and try and put an intern into them.

So, I was talking to the grossly overworked section editor of a publication most here would recognise. They needed an intern, someone who knew stuff ,but was relatively cheap, and for whom they had budget.

Flat refusal.

I gently probed, and it turned out that a veteran section editor with 15 years experience and who actually know about the stuff they were writing, was terrified that I'd put in an inter to their group. Their view was that management would see that words (but not very good ones) could be written by someone who was paid one third as much. This was a rational fear, I've seen stuff like this.

That's not because the web is shafting print journalism, because even successful web-only sites pay really badly, in real terms decreasing, and that was true before the recession, got to be worse now.

Fact is that the people who run most news outlets want space filled as cheaply as possible, and no 'trouble'. That's why most US newspapers, of any persuasion, not just 'leftist' ones like the NYT don't refer to US government torture by that name, using euphemisms for practices that when carried out by the Japs in WWII resulted in the execution of those people by the US for torture. That's why there are so many environment stories, not because it's important, but because lots of young journos will write shit for free and for 'balance' the energy firms will write copy for you claiming it's a big lie.

That sounds cynical, right ?

OK, apply this test to yourself. Would you switch newspaper if (say) 2-3 journos switched where their words appeared ?

No?
Thought not.
 
You can also install a plugin(which is free) for firefox (which is free).

How To Access Full Wall Street Journal Online Articles For Free

I am sure something will come up for NYTimes too.
This is most excellent post. I just tried it out with my Firefox and it works like a charm.
Note that the digg trick no longer works. instead in Step 3, add a new site "online.wsj.com". Select custom action and input "http://google.com". You need the full Google not just google.com. This is from the comment left on that page.
 
I guess in the UK calling Japanese people "Japs" is still socially acceptable. In the fascist regime of the United States it is borderline racist.
 
I was intentionally being offensive about the Japs in WWII, so didn't care if it offended people who tortured. What we have here is a noun with a past tense. But yes there is much the same phobia about 'offending' people in the Britain as the USA, actually it is not PC to call it Britain, one is supposed to call it the UK, yes really..

The NY Times paywall seems smarter than the one used by The Times in the UK, but I can only think of two ways it can work:
1) IP address, which is too dumb to be true since most firms coalesce their vast numbers of users to a few addresses

2) Cookies, I can delete cookies, and nowadays that ain't so far beyond what most people can do, I assume that within days, someone will tell me what to delete if I can't

I just don't think a paywall will work, the fact is that Reuters, the BBC, Bloomberg, and lots and lots of other sites will contain pretty similar stuff.
The UK Times onlline readership has fallen through the floor, it's only continuing because Mr. Murdoch has deep pockets.

That still begs the question of whether paywalls are good or bad, even if they are ever can be ade to work, I can't decide on that.
 
I think we'll manage without the New York Times. They only print the propaganda of the DNC and the guy occupying the white house anyway.
 
I rarely read the political pieces there but rather interested in things of concern to New Yorkers such as things happening in the city. And there is no other can cover the city as well as NYT.
I really enjoy their Real Estate section.
 
I'm kidding about Friedman, of course; I consider him a complete twit. Among newspapers I don't think anything comes close to the FT. If nothing else, people might consider buying and reading the weekend paper edition. if nothing else, their English will become fluent.
 
Actually I think the WSJ type of firewall is a smart move - it's price differentiation.

Those that don't want to pay can find a way around it easily = low transaction costs and keeps CPM revenue up
Those that don't care about paying pay = good for subscription revenue
 
The people who are going to circumvent the security is very tech savvy and it's not worth the investment for publisher to do a catch and mouse game.
By making it easy for people to share contents, new visitors who come across the pay wall will be more likely to pay for it if they really need it.
 
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