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A provocative discussion of Goldman Sachs

Furtehrmore, while indeed there may arise a conflict of interest from GS sending so many of its megastars to the treasury or other government positions (Government Sachs, anybody?), it is the only Wall Street firm that actually actively sends so many of its alumni to public service.

If someone joins the government and uses his or her time there to raid the Treasury, directing its dollars towards his or her old employer, can that truly be called "public service"? Put another way: How much should I tip my waiter for his exemplary service if he picks my pocket while I'm eating dinner?
 
Of course not. But then again, the officials in government have nothing to gain. Paulson was forced to sell all of his stock before joining as SecTreas. So there's no financial conflict of interest. Now buddy system...very possibly.
 
If someone joins the government and uses his or her time there to raid the Treasury, directing its dollars towards his or her old employer, can that truly be called "public service"? Put another way: How much should I tip my waiter for his exemplary service if he picks my pocket while I'm eating dinner?

Agree with you but just want to add a couple of quick comments. First, while there may be a "public" out there, there's no concept of serving that public (i.e., "public service"). The US state apparatus is there to be hijacked by whichever lobby is powerful enough to seize the reins of state. The US state is the contending ground for different lobbies, different vested interests. Any US politician who tries to serve an abstract "public interest" rather than these lobbies (usually several of them at a time), will find his or her career very short-lived.

I'm using GS is a synedoche for the financial industry generally, which is arguably the most influential lobby in the US today, and whose senior functionaries have a revolving-door relationship with senior government jobs. How else to explain a real economy that is on the ropes, with a real unemployment level of around 23% (article in NYT last week), while profits are at such high levels in some financial firms? To the extent that there is a public, is this sort of phenomenon in the public interest? At whose cost are these super-profits being earnt?
 
Goldman Sachs set aside $6.65 billion for compensation in the quarter.

Some updates from competitors:

July 22 (Bloomberg) -- Morgan Stanley set aside 72 percent of its second-quarter revenue for compensation and benefits, more than Goldman Sachs Group Inc. or JPMorgan Chase & Co., amid a “war for talent” with rivals that generate more money.



 
Lot of bull about Goldman

July 28, 2009 - 3:11PM
Commentary by Michael Lewis

From the moment I left Yale and started working for Goldman Sachs, I've felt uneasy interacting with those who don't.

It's not that I think less of Goldman outsiders than I did while I remained among you. It's just that I feel your envy, and know that nothing I can do or say will ever persuade you that I am no more than human.

Thus, like many of my colleagues, I have adopted a strategy of never leaving Goldman Sachs, apart from a few brief, spasmodic attempts to make what you outsiders call ''love'' or ''the beast with two backs.'' Goldman recognizes how important it is for its people to replicate themselves. We bill no performance fees for the service.

Today, the sheer volume of irresponsible media commentary has forced us to reconsider our public-relations strategy. With every uptick in our share price it's grown clearer that we who are inside Goldman Sachs must open a dialogue with you who are not. Not for our benefit, but for yours.

America stands at a crossroads, and Goldman Sachs now owns both of them. In choosing which road to take, ordinary Americans must not be distracted by unproductive resentment toward the toll-takers. To that end we at Goldman Sachs would like to dispel several false and insidious rumors.

Rumour No. 1:
''Goldman Sachs controls the US government.''

Every time we hear the phrase ''the United States of Goldman Sachs'' we shake our heads in wonder. Every ninth-grader knows that the US government consists of three branches. Goldman owns just one of these outright; the second we simply rent, and the third we have no interest in at all. (Note there isn't a single former Goldman employee on the Supreme Court.)

What small interest we maintain in the US government is, we feel, in the public interest. Our current financial crisis has its roots in a single easily identifiable source: the envy others felt toward Goldman Sachs.

The bozos at Merrill Lynch, the dimwits at Citigroup, the nimrods at Lehman Brothers, the louts at Bear Stearns, even that momentarily useful lunatic Joe Cassano at AIG - all of these people took risks that no non-Goldman person should ever take, in a pathetic attempt to replicate Goldman's financial returns.

For too long we have allowed others to emulate us. Now we are working productively with Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and the Congress to ensure that we alone are allowed to take the sort of risks that might destroy the financial system.

Rumour No. 2: ''When the US government bailed out AIG, and paid off its gambling debts, it saved not AIG but Goldman Sachs.''

The charge isn't merely insulting but ignorant. Less responsible journalists continue to bring up the $US12.9 billion ($15.7 billion) we received from AIG, as if that was some kind of big deal to us. But as our CFO David Viniar explained back in March, we were hedged. Our profits from AIG "rounded to zero.''

People who don't work at Goldman Sachs, of course, find this implausible: How could $US12.9 billion round to zero? Easy, but you just need to understand the mathematics.

Let's assume AIG transferred $US12,880,560,250.34 of taxpayer money to Goldman Sachs. A Goldman outsider, asked to round this number, might call it $US12,880,560,250.00. That's not how we look at it; at Goldman we always round to the nearest $US50 billion, so anything less than $US50 billion rounds to zero.

Think of it that way and you can see that $US12,880,560,250.34 isn't even close to not rounding to zero.

Rumour No. 3: ''As the US government will eat the losses if Goldman Sachs goes bust, Goldman Sachs shouldn't be allowed to keep making these massive financial bets. At the very least the $US11.4 billion Goldman Sachs already has set aside for employees in 2009 - $US386,429 a head, just for the first six months - is unfair, as the US taxpayer has borne so much of the risk of the wagers that generated the profits.''

Really, we don't know where to begin with this one. It is wrong-headed in so many different ways!

Let's begin with the idea that the taxpayer is running a bigger risk than we are. The billions he stands to lose are trivial; after all, they round to zero.

The real risk, when you think about it even for a minute, is the risk we take ourselves: that Goldman will cease to exist and we will cease to be Goldman employees. To flirt with such tragedy we obviously need to be paid.

Rumour No. 4: ''Goldman employees all look alike.''

Several recent newspaper photos have revealed that a surprising number of Goldman Sachs workers are white, male and bald. That non-Goldman people glance at such photos and think ''Holy crap, they even look alike!'' just shows how deeply anti-Goldman bigotry runs in American life.

We at Goldman represent unique clusters of DNA; if we bear some faint surface resemblance to one another, and to creatures from the 24th century, it is only because our superior powers of reasoning lead us to hold in our minds exactly the same thoughts, at exactly the same time.

A shared disinterest in growing hair, for instance, isn't a coincidence of nature but an expression of healthy like- mindedness.

''The world is a pool table,'' our naked-headed CEO likes to tell us. ''And all the people in it are either stripes or solids. You alone are the cue balls.''

Rumour No. 5: Goldman Sachs is ''a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.''

Those words are of course taken from a recent issue of Rolling Stone magazine and they are transparently false.

For starters, the vampire squid doesn't feed on human flesh. Ergo, no vampire squid would ever wrap itself around the face of humanity, except by accident. And nothing that happens at Goldman Sachs - nothing that Goldman Sachs thinks, nothing that Goldman Sachs feels, nothing that Goldman Sachs does - ever happens by accident.

(Michael Lewis is a columnist for Bloomberg News and the author of ''Liar's Poker,'' ''Moneyball'' and ''The Blind Side,'' soon to be a major motion picture. The opinions expressed are his own.)

BusinessDay
 
(Reuters) - Goldman Sachs Group Inc Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein told employees to avoid making high profile purchases, the New York Post said, citing sources.

Blankfein, who first asked employees to avoid large purchases late last year, has stepped up his campaign in recent weeks, a source told the paper.

"This is a sensitive time for us, and (Blankfein) wants to make sure that we're not being seen living high on the hog," the paper quoted an anonymous Goldman executive as saying.

Goldman has faced a torrent of unwanted publicity recently including an unflattering story in Rolling Stone magazine, which accused the bank of having a key role in various market bubbles stretching back to the 1920s.

A Goldman spokeswoman declined to comment to the paper.
 
Arming Goldman With Pistols Against Public

Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- I just wrote my first reference for a gun permit, said a friend, who told me of swearing to the good character of a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. banker who applied to the local police for a permit to buy a pistol. The banker had told this friend of mine that senior Goldman people have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank.

I called Goldman Sachs spokesman Lucas van Praag to ask whether its true that Goldman partners feel they need handguns to protect themselves from the angry proletariat. He didnt call me back. The New York Police Department has told me that as a preliminary matter it believes some of the bankers I inquired about do have pistol permits. The NYPD also said it will be a while before it can name names.


Arming Goldman With Pistols Against Public
 
Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- “I just wrote my first reference for a gun permit,” said a friend, who told me of swearing to the good character of a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. banker who applied to the local police for a permit to buy a pistol. The banker had told this friend of mine that senior Goldman people have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank.

They will need more than handguns to keep public rage at bay.

The most damning comment in the article:

The bailout was meant to keep the curtain drawn on the way the rich make money, not from the free market, but from the lack of one.

Even the dim-witted public is beginning to realise the game is rigged and the politicians work overtly for those at the financial pinnacle. Whether this translates into street action remains to be seen -- but remember that one in eight Americans are now on food stamps.
 
Have all of these people been living under a rock? No, I mean really.

Goldman received TARP money not as a bailout to itself...

But to keep the truly weak firms such as BofA, Merrill, and so on from being victims of runs on the bank. This way, everyone got government bailouts equally, and so were all "equally guilty".

Apparently this has worked a bit too well, despite the fact that Goldman paid back its TARP money with eleven percent interest.

This is not "oh, Goldman's winning while the taxpayers are subsidizing their losses". This is "Goldman's winning, and we're not".

It isn't that Goldman is necessarily making any more or less money than some other people. Heck, if you put Renaissance and Paulson and Co and DESCo and Bridgewater together, you'd probably see some other staggering numbers, especially when you consider that Jim Simons laughed 2.5 billion to the bank last year.

And consider this--aside from the 2 or 3% that the market actually grows as a reflection of the economy (perhaps some more to account for the risk of holding equities), any better than that--in fact--beating the market in general means that someone has to take the other end of the trade with you and therefore lose.

Goldman wasn't the only winner. They're just the most prolific.

Furthermore, unless these types of mobocracies are literally squashed not by private security armies but by public police forces (yes, you read that correctly--taxpayer funded police forces quashing populist uprisings), America will become a second-rate nation because the stupid are given power simply by the virtue of being numerous.

As a man my age named Manuel Schenkhuizen has said before:

"Beware the power of stupid people in large groups."

The proleteriats, in the meantime, should realize that in the 21st century, that America continues to be the #1 country in GDP not because of them, but despite them. But of course outright stating that would be political suicide in a country in which one head gets one vote...

no matter how vapid and hollow the interior of that head actually is

Honestly, if the whiners put that much energy into actually trying to improve their own standards of living instead of railing against the success of the successful, there's no telling how much better they'd feel. Trust me, I know from firsthand experience (one of my parents is good, the other one...well...)
 
But to keep the truly weak firms such as BofA, Merrill, and so on from being victims of runs on the bank. This way, everyone got government bailouts equally, and so were all "equally guilty".
you should stop smoking whatever you have been... The run on the banks was on all of them, Merrill, MS and Goldman. Read all the threads again. It looks you have forgotten most of it.
 
you should stop smoking whatever you have been... The run on the banks was on all of them, Merrill, MS and Goldman. Read all the threads again. It looks you have forgotten most of it.
I would agree for the most part, but it seemed like more of a domino effect. The weekend Lehman went bankrupt, it looked like Morgan Stanley and Merrill would be next, then Citigroup, then B of A, Goldman Sachs, and the rest of the financial sector except Northern Trust, US Bank, and Bank of New York. Maybe JP Morgan had a fighting chance. But the point is that the guys at GS were screwed- especially when they were staring at $10 Billion in counterparty risk with AIG.

In particular, I would note that Warren Buffet noted he wouldn't have made an investment in Goldman Sachs if he couldn't count on a TARP-like bailout. Goldman Sachs is filled with some pretty smart people, but they wouldn't have survived without the US taxpayer. IMHO, the formerly-called-ignorant-fools at Northern Trust and US Bank are a lot smarter (though more conservative) than the folks running Goldman Sachs.

That said, the US taxpayer made a lot of money off of GS and a number of other firms during the bail-outs. The deal worked out well for both sides, especially the taxpayers. We need to move on once the firms have redeemed the preferreds and warrants.
 
That said, the US taxpayer made a lot of money off of GS and a number of other firms during the bail-outs. The deal worked out well for both sides, especially the taxpayers. We need to move on once the firms have redeemed the preferreds and warrants.

How exactly? I did not get a cheque from the US government from the money presumably made off the bailouts.
 
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