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Any advice for a 19 year old undergrad?

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Title says it all, I'm a 19 year old math major with hopes of one day landing a quant job. Is there anything in particular any of you would recommend I do to one day to land a job?

What did you do when you were my age? Or what would you had done if you were my age and planned on becoming a quant.

Any advice is welcome, thanks.
 
I'm also a 19 year old majoring in maths. From what I've read or heard, do as many mathematics/applied maths/statistics/programming/scientific computing courses as you can while you're in you're UG degree. Start reading books that tailor that knowledge to finance (look at the Master Reading List). Then start looking for internships at XYZ, hit the interview books, cross your fingers.

Reading the WSJ or the FT or whatever is your local financial news paper on a daily basis is also important. Commercial awareness is also something (which seems rather intangible...) you will need to learn.

At the end of your UG degree, you will have to decide whether to attempt to go into finance straight away, go for an MFE (or other relevant masters degree) or a PhD. (I am personally getting to this point...).
 
I just started a thread with the same concerns but from the CS major perspective. I think I'm 'too aware commercially' (Economist and Fortune hits my mailbox every (second - for Fortune) week) as I think this 'awareness' is disrupting my focus from programming/math.

I think one should concentrate on sharpening his core quant skills (programming, math, stats) to the best possible level - especially during the UG period.
 
I think if I were 19, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't bother with Wall Street. It's fine if you end up there for whatever reason, but it seems silly to target an industry that is contracting (with respect to the things that would seem exciting to a younger person).
 
I think if I were 19, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't bother with Wall Street. It's fine if you end up there for whatever reason, but it seems silly to target an industry that is contracting (with respect to the things that would seem exciting to a younger person).

What are some of the industries that are expanding?
 
Well, that's depressing.

It's like a game of chess where you have a bad position. The first thing is to understand you have a bad position so you can make appropriate moves (defensive and consolidating rather than attacking, for which you need positional advantages). But hardly anyone says these "negative" things.
 
People have been predicting the end of times since the beginning of times, nothing new :)

With regards to the OP, I am not a quant so can't answer your question faithfully. But I think in general, if you do well whatever you do, you'll get your chances, I believe.
 
It's like a game of chess where you have a bad position. The first thing is to understand you have a bad position so you can make appropriate moves (defensive and consolidating rather than attacking, for which you need positional advantages). But hardly anyone says these "negative" things.

Prepare for the worst? Don't limit your options. Something my dad would say..
 
Prepare for the worst? Don't limit your options. Something my dad would say..

I'm not saying "worst"; merely that this is an era of general economic contraction. Which means intensified competition for what jobs there are on offer. I'm not predicting some apocalyptic "end times" where the few survivors will be scrounging for cans of baked beans.

Finance has been used by the state to camouflage what's happening out there in the real world and to mitigate the impact of worsening fortunes.
 
Obviously technology is increasing at higher and higher pace, probably still plenty of opp's there. As well as in domains that are changing due to technology.
 
Title says it all, I'm a 19 year old math major with hopes of one day landing a quant job. Is there anything in particular any of you would recommend I do to one day to land a job?

What did you do when you were my age? Or what would you had done if you were my age and planned on becoming a quant.

Any advice is welcome, thanks.

Take an Finance/Investments course that, at least, covers CAPM and its underlying topics. You should be top 10% in this class as a math major. You'll be introduced to the "jargon" of financing.

Wake up for your 8AMs. Aim for a 4.0 in ALL classes, and abuse your professors' office hours. This will come in handy when you're looking for letters of recommendation.

Start looking at the GRE prep material around your junior year, aim to take it your first semester of senior year (or second semester junior year if you want to take it twice) and to study for the quant portion, make sure you're solving harder problems than what you'll see at a faster rate than the usual 75 seconds per question allowed for the GRE. 170Q sounds improbable but is highly obtainable as a math major.

Take a mathematical modeling course, or at the very least some math-intensive physics courses involving ODEs.

MS Excel is great for monotonous calculations. Learn it.

Indulge in programming - take a few object-oriented language courses. C/C++ preferred, but Java isn't SO bad. Computer Architecture is also good. So is Computability Theory and Automata (Turing Machines, normal languages, etc)

ODE is a great course. PDE even better. Take as much calculus-based statistics as you like, but at least 1, preferably 2.

Mathematica is great. Learn how to use it if your school offers it. If you can analyze basics of continuous random walks, you're above the curve.

intro-level Economics classes are fun and easy, and also help develop your reasoning skills.

Tutor if you can. If you can teach an 8-year old how to perform calculus, you've mastered the basics of the subject.

Most importantly: you're a math major. Physics and Mathematics are the God-tiers of academics. Once you hit proofs, you'll see what separates the boys from the men.

Courses you SHOULD take:
ODE
PDE
Linear Algebra and Advanced Linear Algebra
Multivariable Calculus
Calculus-based Statistics
Abstract Algebra OR Real Analysis
Mathematical Modeling
Mathematica labs for modeling
Discrete mathematics (graph theory, combinatorics, etc)

and ATTEND EVERY STUDENT COLLOQUIUM. Join KME Math Club as well (Math Honors Society, if your school has a chapter)

Lastly, your school should have access to the WSJ Online. Start reading a few articles a day, most of them are 300-600 words and take less than 10 minutes to read. For example, I recently read an article about the Chinese decline in demand for precious metals, both ores and finished goods - the next day I saw a commercial trying to shill silver, stating that "the Chinese demand for silver products has never been higher!" and I felt a deep sadness regarding the First Amendment.

Don't watch videos on technical analysis, its mostly baseless phooey. DO read the following (they're kind of leisure reading):

A Random Walk Down Wall Street - Burton G. Malkiel

-synopsis: blinded monkeys throwing darts at the financial section of the WSJ can pick better stocks than the "experts" 40% of the time
The Intelligent Investor - Benjamin Graham
-I think this is what Warren Buffet suggested, if it deals with fundamental analysis
How to Win Friends and Influence People - Dale Carnegie
-you're a math major. chances are, your social skills could use some polishing
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
-chinese philosophy? Yes. Strategy and planning is VERY important and most effective when learned at a young age.
One Up on Wall Street - Peter Lynch
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if you aren't familiar with Peter Lynch or the Fidelity Magellan Fund, look it up
The Four Pillars of Investing - William J. Bernstein

Want a good book of puzzles? One quant suggested:
An Undergraduate Introduction to Financial Mathematics - J Robert Buchanan
about $50-70 new on Amazon. Covers some nice stuff and was written by a Professor of Mathematics at Millersville University of Pennsylvania, so expect a lot of the material aimed at mathematicians and less dumbing-down for engineers. You'll need some statistics, calculus, and ODE to get past the first few chapters, then it heads into PDE/stochastic stuff.

I've also written a post about why I didn't apply to a program this year - you're still young enough to not make the mistakes I did. And I've read most of these books, currently working through Buchanan in my spare time.
 
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