# God's laptop

#### Lyosha

##### Psychic in Training
well what's an alternate spreadsheet? LibraOffice? OpenOffice? GoogleDocs? None of those are really in the same ballpark...

#### MRoss

where did you come up with this number? I mean have you done research to actually find out that there are 400000 programmers using windows? and if you did, from whom did you get the data from? How recent was this data? What type of programmers are they? What are they programming for?
I have not worked in the field, but my dad has for 30 years. When he worked at Chase - they all used Windows. When he worked at Goldman Sachs - they all used Windows. When he was a project manager at B&H, all the programmers used Windows. The list goes on.

#### MRoss

well what's an alternate spreadsheet? LibraOffice? OpenOffice? GoogleDocs? None of those are really in the same ballpark...
Back in the day people used Lotus 1-2-3. Since then the overwhelming majority has used Excel.

#### Lyosha

##### Psychic in Training
I haven't seen anything by lotus in ages...

#### alain

##### Older and Wiser
I do not hate Macs.

Apple OS I probably could live with. Its the hardware thats the real issue. Since Macs are sooo overhyped it is almost impossible to find one for a decent price. I have been through so many different laptops because I don't swear loyalty to any single brand. Whoever has the right hardware at the right cost wins. Point is Macs never have the right cost. They are always overpriced. If I ever found a Mac with the same hardware as a Sony for example at even the same price I might seriously consider giving it a shot.

Does that sound reasonable people?
what you don't like is the fact that Macs are sort of overprice in comparison with other manufacturers. Well, if people want to pay for them, that's they are own problem. In my experience, the machines are very good. Don't criticize the machine if your only issue is price.
I don't swear loyalty to a single brand either but, so far, the Macs are the ones that have produced the least amount of headaches.

#### alain

##### Older and Wiser
I have not worked in the field, but my dad has for 30 years. When he worked at Chase - they all used Windows. When he worked at Goldman Sachs - they all used Windows. When he was a project manager at B&H, all the programmers used Windows. The list goes on.

#### alain

##### Older and Wiser
Linux: Please tell me how many games can you play on Linux?

After you reach certain age, you tend to stop playing games and you start doing work. I don't think the majority of people who come to this forum care about playing games on the computer anymore.

I think I need to pot a link to keep you updated to biggest disadvantages of using Linux.

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/linux/articles/12838.aspx
That list is for the mom and pop user. Again, I would like to think readers of this forum are what I would call power user. Most (if not all) the items on that list don't apply.

However, I decided to do an experiment once. I bought my wife an HP laptop 5 years ago with Windows. It kept giving me the usual headaches windows+HP combo produces. I switched her to Ubuntu and she was extremely happy. Also, if you are not used to the interface, try Mint.

#### JasonH

As far as drivers in Linux, I got my Crossfire'd 5770's working fine in Linux 64-bit and all within 5 minutes.

#### rishab dhar

@ alain

I agree with everything that you said. However, as I pointed out, these are the major reasons Linux sucks for pretty much every average computer user.

My point in mentioning all those was that Linux to isn't holy grail, as it is made out to be. When people post the biggest problem with Mac is JVM , which my Windows PC, as it is rarely uses, then the above issues are far more important ones- particularly compatibility of drivers with Linux.

Regarding drivers, I've had serious issues for those, especially on the desktop that I constructed myself. I know of plenty more people who've had such issues.

P.S For 90% computer users on this planet (quants <1%), Mac OS or Windows is the best bet, with Mac catching up very fast (already expected to touch 18-20% of PC shipment in US this quarter). Linux doesn't even come into the picture.

#### alain

##### Older and Wiser
@ alain

I agree with everything that you said. However, as I pointed out, these are the major reasons Linux sucks for pretty much every average computer user.

In my experience, the average user usually only needs a browser, a word processor and some sort of IM software. That's the reason I can switch them to Linux at anytime.

For 90% computer users on this planet (quants <1%), Mac OS or Windows is the best bet, with Mac catching up very fast (already expected to touch 18-20% of PC shipment in US this quarter). Linux doesn't even come into the picture.

Macs are ridiculously expensive in comparison to PCs (I know, I own 3 macs). 90% of computer users in the world would have a hard time paying for it. If instead of Windows, those PCs came with Linux, the price would go down another $50-$100.

#### alain

##### Older and Wiser
Linux isn't the "holy grail", windows still is. I'm sorry, but it is the most user friendly operating system for joe average that gets him what he needs. If you deny this, you are in denial.

I wouldn't say Windows is the most user friendly operating system. I would say it is the operating system people are used to. So, it makes it really hard for them to change to something new.

#### amanda.jayne

Until I came and found drivers for their printer online somewhere, they used linux to print stuff - it autodetected their printer and installed everything necessary automatically... while windows just couldn't.

On the topic of available Linux printer drivers, have we resolved the Quantlab wireless printing/account authorization while running Linux issue yet?

#### Huan Dao

Hence, in this universe, the space of people that should be using OS X is... well, artists, musicians, film editors... those sorts of people.
Guess what? Google banned Window in its company's computers and asked their staffs to use OSX or Linux instead

And the majority of computers used in Facebook office are Macbook pro (I got a friend who worked there told me this)

#### Lyosha

##### Psychic in Training
So? I knew this already. Its impact has already been "priced" into my words (so to say).

Amanda - there's no native ones that support the user system that we use (this is the problem :-/). But I should be able to get us into the school's general pharos printing system